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仍然對無夾,可行走的鞋子和兩用踏板感到困惑
Chris H
2015-05-08 14:15:10 UTC
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I've read everything at What should I look for in clipless pedals and shoes? and I'm still not sure I can have what I want. I mainly use the bike for commuting (which will be bike-train-walk) and running errands, including with a baby seat when I don't want to be clipped in. So I'm looking for:

  • Ability to ride in normal shoes as well as cycling shoes.
  • Cycling shoes I can walk some distance in (say a mile at a time), and sit around in on the train.

To me the second point suggests the cleats should be recessed - but does this then rule out the first point? Shimano M424s (cheap/beginner option) and MT50 both allow normal shoes but I can't see how they'd work with walkable clipless shoes. Should I give up and just get some half clips and normal shoes?

I've also looked at walkable clipless pedal shoe to replace normal shoe? but there's no definitive answer there either.

在穿著普通的平底鞋時,我已經成功地用無夾腳踏板進行了較短的騎行(<30分鐘)。取決於鞋底的厚度。
@Criggie符合腳踏板的橡膠底可能會起作用,但SPD對我而言的主要好處是我的腳保持在正確的位置。
九 答案:
Nik
2015-05-08 21:50:30 UTC
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For many years, I used cheap Forte pedals (Performance Bicycle house brand) with a platform on one side and SPD on the other side. This was on a mountain bike. Shimano M-324 pedals look very similar ($45 at Amazon) I used these pedals for years for all kinds of riding, including singletrack. The dual-sided nature of the pedals made it a bit tricky to get started in difficult spots on the trail, but it would be very easy if you're riding on the road

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I also have Shimano M038 shoes that have a recessed SPD cleat and are very good for walking around. The cleat doesn't touch the ground.

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These days I use a different bike with Shimano M-520 pedals, but I still use the M038 shoes for commuting occasionally.

雙面踏板的追隨者很小,這是有原因的-它們太妥協了。試試看,但我的經驗是很少有人喜歡他們。大多數人擺脫了束縛,回到平台上,或致力於完全無剪輯。
最好是四處詢問,因為您很可能會找到一個想要擺脫的人。
mattnz
2015-05-08 14:46:51 UTC
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I have a pair of Wellgo's similar to those pedals, and two pairs of walkable shoes. One pair I had to mod by cutting back the tread around the cleats. The other pair work well with no modifications, but the cleat does touch the ground when walking. I have seen combinations that plain do not work, or worse - the shoe tread jams and you cannot rotate to get out.

The clip part of the pedal sticks up a little, so with soft soled shoes you can feel it, and its less than ideal for anything but short distances.

With any of these its a compromise - Dedicated platform pedals have great grip, but clipless need to be able to rotate to release, so they cannot come close to performance of platforms as a dedicated platform. Shoes for dedicated clipless pedals don't have to worry about the sole catching and can recess the cleat further than shoes designed for those pedals.

Best suggestion I can make is find the shoes you want first and match to a pedal that can be used with those and you normal shoes.

I have a set of the two sides (platform one side, clips the other) pedals in my box of spare parts I tried and found they were a poor compromise that never worked well for me. Think twice before going down that path.

我不得不說我的平台沒有很好的抓地力-這部分是我從那裡開始的。但是你給了我一些思考。我不太在意穿鞋子的防滑釘。我習慣穿薄底潛水衣靴(皮划艇)在河岸爬上。儘管我的腳趾像午餐騎行者一樣在空中行走,但會殺死我的小腿(和防滑釘)
也許使用不同的平台是一個很好的折衷方案?我喜歡我的MKS Lambda,所以我可能永遠不會再使用其他踏板了。
如果不是走路時感覺到夾板。您即使走了一個凹進的防滑釘也走了很多路,並且磨損了防滑釘。如果您想一次走一英里,那麼騎行鞋不是一個好的選擇。
我更擔心磨光的木地板而不是磨損防滑釘。而不是更換防滑釘,而不是上述木地板。防滑釘既便宜又容易,足以代替步行時穿著它們,這並不是我的一個嚴重問題。
磨損的不僅僅是防滑釘。我擔心更換一雙200美元的鞋子。如果我用夾板訓練CX,我將在每個賽季中浪費一對。仍然+1。對所述問題的好的答案。
Chris H
2015-05-31 01:07:56 UTC
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In the end I got the Shimano M424s and Specialised Cadets. The M424s aren't much worse with trainers than my previous Wellgo plastic platforms, but @Trengot is spot on that the spring-loaded bit doesn't do much of any use. I wouldn't fancy wearing smooth-soled shoes on them but hiking boots or trainers are fine.

The Cadets are quite nice on platform pedals as well. To get them to fit cleanly with the M424s I needed to file down some of the grips on the pedals (I could have cut away at the shoe as someone else has done, but pedals are cheaper and easier to repair (drill out and tap in grubscrews for example) had I got it wrong. As for the walkable-shoes sceptics, you can't feel the cleat at all; you can sometimes hear it hit the ground, perhaps on a bit of grit. The sole is claimed to be stiffness index 4, which makes it comparable to hiking boots, they're no problem to wear all day, and even jog a mile or so on hard ground.

感謝您的完成-將來的搜索者將不勝感激。
Benzo
2015-11-26 07:31:41 UTC
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雙面踏板是兩個世界中最糟糕的。他們擅長於公寓,而擅長於SPD,但他們都做這兩項工作。我的首選是Shimano M324 SPD踏板。它們完全適合我所有不同的騎行鞋。它們具有平整的側面和SPD的側面,每一面都有單獨的工作。無論您是穿普通鞋還是無夾鞋,都會經常用腳趾翻轉它們。我將它們放在通勤者上,因為我喜歡選擇騎乘我碰巧穿的鞋子。如果您嘗試它並討厭它,那麼您幾乎將要獲得兩組腳踏板並在想要穿另一雙鞋時調換它們。

對於鞋子,只要您使用SPD防滑釘,幾乎所有MTB鞋子都可以使用,但是最近市場更加傾向於步行。不要用碳纖維鞋墊獲得超硬的東西,這與您想要的相反。如果您實際上在走路,則需要一點柔韌性。我便宜的goto是一種碳化碳鋼,它們不到90美元,很適合步行。如果您在路上或越野時做更多的事情,Giro Terraduro的鞋子會很甜。如果您想更休閒,請購買Chrome或DZR鞋子。我都跑了,一開始它們可能會有點緊縮,縫的鋒利邊緣會磨損一點,步行或騎行時整日穿著都感覺很好。

除了shimano SPD之外,您都無法獲得任何防滑板風格的雙面踏板,因此最好是有興趣購買該系統。但是,這是非常可靠的。我把我的裝備當成廢話對待,我的shimano踏板都沒有故障,它們可能生鏽了一些,但仍然可以工作。

最終,我選擇了兩側都帶MSP的M424,但塑料外殼給普通鞋帶來了一點抓地力。當我一直穿著平底鞋時,我會將它們換成家庭度假用的平台(有些便宜但很不錯的Evans擁有)。
FWIW我的M324每次旋轉到相同位置。因此,如果我使用防滑釘,則無需看和翻轉踏板就可以夾住夾子。如果我使用的是普通鞋,則只需從前面踩到平台上,然後向後拖動即可。該位置對於我的踏板總是可以預測的。
halloleo
2018-02-02 02:58:28 UTC
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數十年來,我一直在使用Shimano M-324踏板,並且總是搭配可步行的SPD鞋子。我從Shimano鞋子開始( M38 ?),然後是 Specialized ,現在是一雙 熱衷的 鞋子(我認為已經停產了)。它們看上去都與運動鞋相似。 (Keen的鞋子看上去恕我直言,甚至酷極了。)

所有鞋子都有凹進的防滑釘,我用它們來步行穿過商店,有時甚至整天都在工作。

步行在乾淨的混凝土上或乙烯基商店上,乙烯基效果很好,在骯髒的小路或地毯上(辦公室!)效果更好。混凝土上的礫石污垢有點令人討厭,因為礫石會觸碰到防滑釘,發出刺耳的刺耳聲音。

用這種鞋/踏板組合騎行效果非常好:易於上手右側(有時在第二個踏板轉彎之後),習慣SPD時出門從來都不是問題。使用普通的鞋子可能需要轉動兩個踏板才能找到踏板的右側(另一側)。

我的兩分錢值得...

Nick Cain
2015-05-09 04:28:01 UTC
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所有與防滑釘系統兼容的自行車鞋都會降低您自然步行至某種程度的能力。

但是,具有防滑板的系統(例如Shimano SPD或Crank Brothers)將產生最小的干擾。如果您還選擇一種這樣的鞋子來提供一定的靈活性,那麼使用無夾系統(btw稱為無夾系統,因為它可以代替無夾系統)將使您走起來最容易。正如Nik指出的那樣,

您還可以找到與SPD兼容的踏板,該踏板的一側有一個標準的籠子,可以讓您在使用運動鞋或其他鞋子時使用

我在通勤自行車上踩著那些Forte踏板,它們運轉良好,但是您必須小心,不要刮擦轉彎時,它們會掉下來,因此保持在地面上。

Holloway
2015-05-08 14:35:30 UTC
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M424確實不允許穿普通的鞋子。我有一套 M545(相同,但有一個金屬籠),而防滑板則以籠子為傲。

您可以購買單面踏板 *,該踏板可讓您騎在踏板一側的平地上,而又可以夾在另一側。至於鞋子,諸如 Specialized Tahoe之類的東西?他們應該像普通鞋子一樣耐磨。

我的首選解決方案是購買普通的無夾腳踏板和也可以走進去的鞋子,而不是普通的鞋子。我知道您不想被束縛,但是不久之後,這將完全是第二天性,您甚至都不會注意到正在使用它們。

*我不確定這是否是指半截夾的意思,但是如果您想截起腳趾夾,請不要這樣做。

在嘗試插入踏板之前,我並不需要花很多時間來確保踏板是正確的,但這可能是一個選擇。我看了看塔霍鞋,但是當我看到鞋底的圖片時,我無法想像它適合M424,順便說一句,它與我能找到的M525圖片完全不同(鞋底沒有普通鞋的握把) M525)。在我鏈接的其中一個線程中提到了半剪輯,它們是精簡的無肩帶式剪輯,因此如果我無法獲得想要的功能,則可以在平台上進行改進。
我的錯誤是M545。我同意,單面鞋很笨拙,但可能比424s上的普通鞋好。
遺憾的是沒有人能看到踏板的側面圖。您是否發現對於固定鞋推下的彈簧對於普通鞋來說太硬了?我可以看到我的腳在向上搏動。如果您嘗試騎在教練機的夾子側,則大多數組合看上去都沒有抓地力。
不,教練機中的545完全沒有抓地力。不確定您的意思是春季穿普通的鞋子。在訓練員的上沖程中,您的腳總是會有些移動。
他們聲稱綁定器是彈簧加載的:“踏板可以與普通的鞋子一起使用,因為綁定器被推平並且合金籠支撐鞋子。” [(來自wiggle)](http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-pd-m545-free-ride-pedals/)。
是的,那是行不通的。它們被彈簧加載,但是它們繞踏板軸樞轉,因此總是在保持架的水平上方。
Jahaziel
2015-05-08 23:44:09 UTC
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I have used Shimano M424 pedals for several years in XC and Commuting, And at least for me, they result in a very good pedal to use even with non cycling shoes. I have even commuted in regular office shoes with them and they seemed comfortable enough for a 15-45 minute commute.

So, for the aim of the original question, this would be indeed my recommendation. Most of the time I'd use good walking shoes or running shoes, as they would allow for quick switching among biking and walking or running, and proper cycling shoes for training.

However, I propose you ask yourself whether you really need cleated shoes for commuting. I have recently "lost" my cleat pedals and I'm kind of "forced" to use regular platform pedals in a bike that I use for commuting and training. While commuting I don't feel at all the need to be clipped, and while training I only feel the lack of them when I want to accelerate really hard. (My feet rolls the pedal forward).

這是另一個有趣的觀點-在我的情況下,通勤是當我需要加速時,我的其他騎行往往會比較放鬆,因此,如果我不打算通勤,我會得到一些更好的平台(軸承不再很棒,但更重要的是,在大多數鞋子中,我的腳都非常容易向前滑動)。
paparazzo
2015-05-08 22:47:30 UTC
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Yes opinion but cycling shoes I can walk some distance in (say a mile at a time) is not realistic. Even a recessed cleat you are going wear out with mile walks. You are going to muck them up if you walk in dirt. And they are just not comfortable over long distances. A walkable cleat shoe is for 100 yards or less in my book.

You should try out some large platform pedals with spike and some street shoes like a Five Ten. You get amazing good traction. I ride a lot and only use cleats on long road rides and when I race. I even train for CX on platform as I don't want to wear out my 200 cleats.

我曾經穿無夾腳的鞋子騎單車,從來沒有問題。
對你有益。不知道那是什麼意思。
我的意思是我可以整日走動沒有問題。 100碼有點保守。
@Trengot而且我明確指出這是我的觀點。我不喜歡穿防滑釘。
很公平。每個到自己


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